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Should I Stay or Should I Go?

So there we go then, the draw we didn’t want. The draw some well-meaning but misguided neutrals have been assuming we’ve been waiting for since 2002.

Of course we’ve had over a week to get used to the idea that our reward for reaching the FA Cup Second Round would be a trip to visit the very people responsible for stealing our club and our league place ten years ago. Well, a trip for the players and the minimum officials required by FA regulations anyway. As for the fans?

In the week to consider the question before the replays, the WMS contributors have managed to agree on precisely nothing. Whether we should go, or not. What it means if we do go. What it means if we don’t go. What we should take. What we should do. What we should say.

And when I say we haven’t managed to agree, I think most of us haven’t even managed to find self-agreement. Personally I was convinced I wasn’t going to go, I was still thinking that during the first half last night. And then I started to change my mind, to think that a Second Round match would be a must-go must-see against any other League One side and that going up there in force to show off what we forged in adversity would highlight the difference between a club that was built and one that was stolen.

And then I woke up this morning and (ill-advisedly) read what some people connected with the MK monstrosity were saying. And felt sick. And I thought if that’s how upsetting I find people lying about what happened in 2002 when the FA sanctioned the theft of our club reading it online, how on earth will I feel in their stadium surrounded by the evidence of their theft all around? One of the main reasons not for going is that nothing about the day will be enjoyable. Most of it will be horrendous.

There are other reasons not to go, of course. Over the last ten years fans of many teams have taken a day off from travelling to watch their team when the fixture list said MK Dons. Many of them came down to Kingsmeadow. There was until not that long ago an official boycott in place by the Football Supporters’ Association, eventually voted down as a quid pro quo for the return of the trophies won by Wimbledon’s football team to Wimbledon.

On the other hand, many people argue that we should go in solidarity. That to send our team out there unsupported as part of a boycott compromises our chance of victory. That the national (and wider) press interest is a chance to remind people of what happened and what we’ve achieved.

Over the next few days we’ll try to talk through some of the questions facing our fanbase now. To give a platform for people to air their views. So far the discussion has been reasonably good natured. Let’s keep it that way. It would be far too galling to let this situation divide us. Pretty much every Wimbledon fan can understand the reasons why people want to go and the reasons why they don’t. There isn’t a right and a wrong decision here. Just personal choices for how to deal with this.

Finally, personally I hope this will be the final act of the drama created by the craven FA decision in 2002. I hope whether I go or not the fact that we’ve played them and that final hurdle is out of the way provides some form of closure. I think what’s surprised me most over the last week was how annoyed I still am about that decision, how angry it still makes me. Of course 99 per cent of the time we are bound up in our exciting adventure – the club we have built, all of us. The club that got back a stolen league place in less than ten years. That’s something none of us honestly thought would happen that quickly. The club that is on the verge of going home at last, with the best prospect of a new ground in Merton since leaving Plough Lane. But actually, despite everything we’ve achieved, the theft still hurts doesn’t it? And the thought of confronting our thieves is still daunting and upsetting. There has been a real effort by MK apologists to use our own success against us, to say that as Wimbledon are now back in the league, the harm has been undone. But it hasn’t. As our chief executive Erik Samuelson put it:

 ”Some people have said that it’s great because there are two clubs now instead of one, but that’s like someone coming and taking everything you own, and when you finally rebuild your life, saying isn’t it wonderful that we are both doing so well.” 

That quote comes from an excellent WSC article from two years ago which looked at the thorny question of this fixture first time around. Well worth a read.

So whether you’re going or not, we’d like to provide a platform here for your views. Drop us an email or comment below.

POSTSCRIPT:

To save some time in case any franchise apologists swing by, some facts in closing to combat some of the PR nonsense Winkleman and his cronies seem to be pumping out:

1) AFC Wimbledon was formed after the FA Commission decision was announced. The FA Commission decision was legally binding and there was no right of appeal. The fact it took the new entity two years to limp up the motorway and change its name is neither here nor there. To claim otherwise is disingenuous sophistry.

2) Winkelman didn’t really care which team (and whose league place) he got up there. He had previously talked to Crystal Palace, to QPR and to Barnet. Unfortunately he just timed his approach to Wimbledon well enough to find foreign owners who just needed an exit strategy and overcame the concerted fan opposition.

3) AFC Wimbledon’s current home ground isn’t in the London Borough of Merton. Well spotted. It’s about half a mile over the border in the Borough of Kingston. Talks are at an advanced stage with Merton Council about a new home for the club back in the borough. In the meantime, AFC Wimbledon have managed to play in the nearest professional standard ground to their spiritual home and comply with the ground regulations as the demands have changed from the Combined Counties League through the Ryman League, Conference and back into the Football League. Again, I would question the motives of anyone attempting to stretch any analogies between this ground location and uprooting a team to a new town 56 miles away.

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  • #331

    Marc Jones
    Key Master

    A press pack debunking their utter fucking nonsense about 2002 would be a nice idea. I wonder if the Trust have anything?

    #332

    Steve Joyce
    Participant

    A great article,

    I am firmly on the fence at the moment and I am sure these emotions are being shared by a large number of our fans.

    A 2nd round tie against a League 1 club would normally have me planning my journey already but I am just not sure I can stomach seeing them.

    I want to boycott, but also want to shove it in their faces what we have achieved and what a great team we have infront of the people that stole the original from us.

    With a couple of weeks to go, I am sure more discussions will shape my decision and I know that regardless of whether I and other fans go or boycott we will still all be Wimbledon supporters over all the other games we play.

    Come on you Dons!

    #333

    Mike Arrowsmith
    Key Master

    Nail on the head about the inner turmoil Charlie. In the last few days I’ve veered from definitely never setting foot in the place, to being part of a righteous army sticking it to them in their own back yard, and back again.

    This game will come and go, they’ll put their media spin on it and we’ll have a build-up full of petty provocations like the MK Citizen article but whatever we do individually and collectively, the fact that this game is being played at all is the real testament to what we’ve achieved. It only took 10 years, in which time they’re lower than when they started (which according to Dave Beasant of all people is a fantastic achievement).

    Fuck ‘em and all who sail in them. We Are Wimbledon. We know it, and so do they. What happens in this game, on or off the pitch, doesn’t really matter in the overall picture.

    #335

    Sami Everett
    Participant

    Hi – 7th paragraph typo – “compromise” not “comprise”. Please delete this post should you wish to incorporate the correction or not. I just thought that a lot of people will be reading this.

    I felt terrible after the York game. I’ll probably feel terrible if I go and angry to boot and I’ll probably feel terrible if I go to KM and donate the price of a ticket to the club but we lose and only five hundred go to their mecano set-up.

    #337

    wmsadmin
    Key Master

    Thanks Sami. Fixed it (as well as the other typos you *didn’t* spot).

    #389

    Joe
    Participant

    Just can’t see how this match passes without serious incident. MK are doing their best to wind up Wimbledon fans with blatant mis-truths being fed to a media who have largely forgotten the facts around the move in 2002. One daft action by an MK player or fan and all hell is likely to break loose. Having successfully ignored their existence since 2002 I am reminded once more of the hatred I feel for Winkleman and his arse-licking cronies. Don’t trust myself enough to not kick off at the undoubted provocation we will face there, so not going

    #554

    Damian Woodward
    Participant

    Well,  I can tell you if I was in Town I would be going. The reason is simple. In the same way we (rightly) moan and groan and gnash our teeth at inaccurate reporting of history – whether deliberate or poorly informed, we also have to wake up to the fact that the world has moved on. And by that I mean that vindication of the club never needing to move  would be best reflected by a huge turn out in support of us. Not the team. Not for the match but to take this moment and leave the world in no doubt about the strength we had and have.

    I get the arguments for boycotting and in their purest form I believe they stand.  However, in the absence of a total boycott (which I accept could be equally powerful) anything other than will leave the uninformed with at best questions or at worst incorrect conclusions…

     

    #559

    If I could make the trip, I would be there supporting AFC Wimbledon and cheering the Real Don’s on to victory over MK Cheats. They never toiled like we did from the lowest level of Football to return to the Football League in 10 short years. In time we will move back above th scum and watch them fall out of the league. Our Team needs our support on the day and we should all go there with our heads held high. Come on You DON’s.

    #565

    Andy Gritton
    Participant

    Great article, after 10 years convinced I would never even consider going “there” I’ve given it some serious thought in the last week. A good case can be made to stay or go, but on balance I still can’t go there. The main factors that swayed it for me were:

    1) I was happy to support and encourage the boycott of Scumville by fans of other clubs and despite that boycott now being over, it just feels plain wrong to turn up there the first time we have a game there.

    2) We’ve already won the moral battle and by going and being a bit part in Winkies PR pantomime will just make me feel dirty and used. The story of the last 10 years is justification enough, I don’t need to go to MK for any further validation thank you very much.

    3) The atmosphere will be pure poison and the risk of doing something stupid and getting nicked just isn’t worth it for me. Yep I should have enough self control to avoid it but the emotion will running so high, all rational thoughts will probably go out the window!

    4) Don’t want to give them any money. I know it’ll probably sell out in the away end now so it’s kind of  academic but I’ll be contributing way more cash directly to my club over the bar at Kingsmeadow that Sunday lunchtime.

    Respect the views who do decide to go, but the sooner this circus is run out of town the sooner we can get back to focussing on building our club in the football league. Only when we’re above franchise and/or they go bust will I get full closure.

    #568

    Arky
    Participant

    I want to go so much just to see their smug faces and to remind myself how crap new towns are.. East Kilbride, Cumbernauld, Glenrothes, Milton Keynes.. what do they have in common?? New town crap holes.. We owe it to ourselves to turn up in numbers with hate in our hearts and have them fearing our righteous invasion as much as the nazis feared the coming of the Red Army in 1945!

    #612

    Tudor Jennings
    Participant

    Not going. Never will.

    I would hate it, hate them, hate every single second – arriving in Denbigh, approaching their enabling development, seeing the first cluster of their customers in their historic white and gold kit, hearing the first comment, stepping through the turnstiles, listening to the announcer use their name…….

    Even pottering about round the endless, empty roundabouts on the way back after the Northampton game last season (so I could leave a little present outside the stadium) was bad enough.

    If people can stomach four or five hours of being surrounded by that, then good luck.

    PS Mind where you step :)

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